Oct 10, 2023·edited Oct 10, 2023Liked by Peter Nayland Kust
Mike Adams has a much more shocking theory why it happened. Before dismissing it outright, consider that facing an existential threat, a government might do the unthinkable.
For Mike Adams this is why the Hamas incursion occurred. He says the Israeli government allowed it to happen to gain public support for the use of nuclear weapons against Iran to destroy its nuclear program. He says they were willing to sacrifice a few thousand of their own people in order to gain support not only among their own people but among the liberal western countries. https://www.brighteon.com/6d28b0a8-de39-4848-bd0d-a2d896bfb7c4
The theory would explain the seeming intelligence failure. Still it's hard to believe as you'll recall how Israel took five years to obtain the release of one kidnapped soldier. Could the specter of nuclear annihilation have driven the Israelis to take such an unthinkable course of action?
I'm a little reluctant to give it much credibility on its face, but it is not outside the realm of possibility.
The fact that the casualties include at least 18 Thai nationals as well as Americans certainly gives this a global cast which is not at all comforting.
I would not rule anything out without some very firm evidence to justify doing so.
Everything about an attack such as this is suspicious. As it should be--there are reasons we expect our intelligence services (and Israel's) to do a better job of detecting and thwarting these attacks than this.
However, the problem with suspicions is they can lead us in wrong directions. Iran is a very credible suspect for having aided Hamas. But so is Russia. Or perhaps Russia and Iran are both involved to some degree.
Yet if it should turn out that Russia is involved and not Iran, that has different geopolitical impacts than if Iran is involved and not Russia.
Hence the caution. Iran is a bad actor but is far from the only bad actor on the world stage.
I think it was a mistake to throw away all that money on Ukraine. They are not the paragon of democracy as Nikki Haley and Chris Christie would like us to believe, No one is saying Russia consists of a bunch of choir boys but by alienating then they are now completely in our main adversary's camp: China.
Given Ukraine's history of corruption the amount of funding directed at Ukraine is forever going to be a matter of controversy.
As for alienating Russia, the reality is that Russia has been steadily becoming more alienated since at least 2012, when Russia withdrew from the NATO Partner for Peace program (the same programmatic relationship Ukraine officially had with NATO prior to Putin's invasion of Ukraine).
As with Hamas v Israel, Russia v Ukraine is a complex psychodrama with very few if any good guys and a whole cast of characters who are at best morally ambiguous. Nor is the outcome at all certain. If the NATO strategy is successful and Ukraine succeeds in collapsing the Russian army, at the very least we will be compelled to concede the funds spent on Ukraine achieved their purpose.
Still, the extent to which aid to Ukraine diminishes potential aid to Israel presents a problem all its own.
No, Ukraine is not a paragon of democracy. They are a sovereign nation invaded by another, an attack for which there is no valid casus belli, and a NATO Partner for Peace. Neither of which guarantees US support and aid, but either of which makes a credible case for at least some level of support.
The challenge of events like this is by the time I publish the details have moved on.
Hamas has given credit to Iran, and Iran is certainly pleased with the attack. One challenge is deciding what to do about it.
On one level, Iran has participated in an act of war against Israel. Taking that to an obvious conclusion puts Israel at war with Iran.
This may end up there no matter what, but that's a fairly major escalation that impacts the entire Persian Gulf. Saudi Arabia in particular is put in a bind if that happens.
“Yet we should not confine the intelligence failure criticism to just Israel. The United States also managed to miss the signs of a buildup and preparation for attack.”100% The reputation of our United States must be slipping speedily, in every facet. The media and govt are so preoccupied with rebellious make-believe and personal opinions of a few and never objective observable facts and what is best for all.
We are in serious trouble if we do not support Israel, Genesis 12:3 “And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”
1) You are admirably "on the fence" concerning Iran's involvement. I just don't see how Hamas could perform this hugely co-ordinated operation on its own, and Russia, while certainly looking for any and all help, *must* be hard pressed by now to help run this type of "diversion". Which, to me, points to a much more worrisome (!) probability,
2) I think with all its tripwire surveillance, Israeli intelligence knew. Perhaps they underestimated capabilities, but to me this is not their 9/11, but their "allowed to happen" 1/6.
What think you?
(Thank you especially to your historical references and research. I have budgeted a subscription.)
I am not so much "on the fence" as I am reluctant to get ahead of the known facts. It would not surprise me at all if Iran participated in this attack. Given Iran's longstanding hatred of Israel it might even be surprising if Iran was not involved.
However, at the time I wrote the bulk of the article, the Iran angle was very much unconfirmed. Plenty of people were saying it, but the intelligence apparatus was not yet buying it (whether that says something about the intelligence apparatus itself is another question).
For me the determinant is always can "X" be PROVEN? That standard often restrains my commentary where others are more comfortable with more speculative analysis.
Speculation is always welcome! If we don't speculate and we don't theorize we have no starting point for any analysis.
Hearing the speculations of my readers tells me where I need to focus my research. Speculations are like questions. They let me know which answers matter.
Was Israel really fooled, were Russian Ops successfully executed, is Iran deeply involved, did Hezbollah 'chicken out,' or is it a combination of factors, some more and some less 'believable.'
We simply don't know, but the speculations run wild.
Here on SubStack, we aren't as limited in our thoughts, but personnel remain, there is our key.
I find it VERY strange that the most ADVANCED secure country that is completely surrounded by its enemies on ALL sides somehow allowed boats, and paraglide planes to sneak in undetected???? Wow!!!! That’s amazing!!
Plus their super duper Iron Dome shielding just so happened to fail as well??
Wow!!!
I find it very strange that the police were trying to evacuate people from a rave party in the desert knowing about the attack but the military just didn’t know what was going on???? I guess the police forgot to call in???
I must be a coincidence theorist!!!
Has anybody seen the movie “Wag the Dog” by chance?
Mike Adams has a much more shocking theory why it happened. Before dismissing it outright, consider that facing an existential threat, a government might do the unthinkable.
For Mike Adams this is why the Hamas incursion occurred. He says the Israeli government allowed it to happen to gain public support for the use of nuclear weapons against Iran to destroy its nuclear program. He says they were willing to sacrifice a few thousand of their own people in order to gain support not only among their own people but among the liberal western countries. https://www.brighteon.com/6d28b0a8-de39-4848-bd0d-a2d896bfb7c4
The theory would explain the seeming intelligence failure. Still it's hard to believe as you'll recall how Israel took five years to obtain the release of one kidnapped soldier. Could the specter of nuclear annihilation have driven the Israelis to take such an unthinkable course of action?
It's certainly a theory.
I'm a little reluctant to give it much credibility on its face, but it is not outside the realm of possibility.
The fact that the casualties include at least 18 Thai nationals as well as Americans certainly gives this a global cast which is not at all comforting.
I would not rule anything out without some very firm evidence to justify doing so.
I agree. But the security breach was very suspicious.
Everything about an attack such as this is suspicious. As it should be--there are reasons we expect our intelligence services (and Israel's) to do a better job of detecting and thwarting these attacks than this.
However, the problem with suspicions is they can lead us in wrong directions. Iran is a very credible suspect for having aided Hamas. But so is Russia. Or perhaps Russia and Iran are both involved to some degree.
Yet if it should turn out that Russia is involved and not Iran, that has different geopolitical impacts than if Iran is involved and not Russia.
Hence the caution. Iran is a bad actor but is far from the only bad actor on the world stage.
I think it was a mistake to throw away all that money on Ukraine. They are not the paragon of democracy as Nikki Haley and Chris Christie would like us to believe, No one is saying Russia consists of a bunch of choir boys but by alienating then they are now completely in our main adversary's camp: China.
Given Ukraine's history of corruption the amount of funding directed at Ukraine is forever going to be a matter of controversy.
As for alienating Russia, the reality is that Russia has been steadily becoming more alienated since at least 2012, when Russia withdrew from the NATO Partner for Peace program (the same programmatic relationship Ukraine officially had with NATO prior to Putin's invasion of Ukraine).
As with Hamas v Israel, Russia v Ukraine is a complex psychodrama with very few if any good guys and a whole cast of characters who are at best morally ambiguous. Nor is the outcome at all certain. If the NATO strategy is successful and Ukraine succeeds in collapsing the Russian army, at the very least we will be compelled to concede the funds spent on Ukraine achieved their purpose.
Still, the extent to which aid to Ukraine diminishes potential aid to Israel presents a problem all its own.
No, Ukraine is not a paragon of democracy. They are a sovereign nation invaded by another, an attack for which there is no valid casus belli, and a NATO Partner for Peace. Neither of which guarantees US support and aid, but either of which makes a credible case for at least some level of support.
“Iran’s involvement is hardly confirmed”
Not that I trust the news, but it’s been all over that Iran is taking credit for this and Hama has been profusely thanking Iran for their help. .
Hamas
The challenge of events like this is by the time I publish the details have moved on.
Hamas has given credit to Iran, and Iran is certainly pleased with the attack. One challenge is deciding what to do about it.
On one level, Iran has participated in an act of war against Israel. Taking that to an obvious conclusion puts Israel at war with Iran.
This may end up there no matter what, but that's a fairly major escalation that impacts the entire Persian Gulf. Saudi Arabia in particular is put in a bind if that happens.
“Yet we should not confine the intelligence failure criticism to just Israel. The United States also managed to miss the signs of a buildup and preparation for attack.”100% The reputation of our United States must be slipping speedily, in every facet. The media and govt are so preoccupied with rebellious make-believe and personal opinions of a few and never objective observable facts and what is best for all.
We are in serious trouble if we do not support Israel, Genesis 12:3 “And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”
Thank you, Peter.
1) You are admirably "on the fence" concerning Iran's involvement. I just don't see how Hamas could perform this hugely co-ordinated operation on its own, and Russia, while certainly looking for any and all help, *must* be hard pressed by now to help run this type of "diversion". Which, to me, points to a much more worrisome (!) probability,
2) I think with all its tripwire surveillance, Israeli intelligence knew. Perhaps they underestimated capabilities, but to me this is not their 9/11, but their "allowed to happen" 1/6.
What think you?
(Thank you especially to your historical references and research. I have budgeted a subscription.)
(Sorry. Shoulda read the comments first!)
I am not so much "on the fence" as I am reluctant to get ahead of the known facts. It would not surprise me at all if Iran participated in this attack. Given Iran's longstanding hatred of Israel it might even be surprising if Iran was not involved.
However, at the time I wrote the bulk of the article, the Iran angle was very much unconfirmed. Plenty of people were saying it, but the intelligence apparatus was not yet buying it (whether that says something about the intelligence apparatus itself is another question).
For me the determinant is always can "X" be PROVEN? That standard often restrains my commentary where others are more comfortable with more speculative analysis.
That's another thing I like about you.
I hope you don't mind "speculative" posters like me!
(No response necessary.)
Speculation is always welcome! If we don't speculate and we don't theorize we have no starting point for any analysis.
Hearing the speculations of my readers tells me where I need to focus my research. Speculations are like questions. They let me know which answers matter.
Was Israel really fooled, were Russian Ops successfully executed, is Iran deeply involved, did Hezbollah 'chicken out,' or is it a combination of factors, some more and some less 'believable.'
We simply don't know, but the speculations run wild.
Here on SubStack, we aren't as limited in our thoughts, but personnel remain, there is our key.
Israel's intelligence apparatus has flubbed it before. That's how we got the Yom Kippur War 50 years ago.
The intelligence failure narrative is the most credible because it requires the least additional assumptions to make it work.
Still, what will always tell the tale are the facts. Always focus on the facts.
But that was half a century ago!!
I find it VERY strange that the most ADVANCED secure country that is completely surrounded by its enemies on ALL sides somehow allowed boats, and paraglide planes to sneak in undetected???? Wow!!!! That’s amazing!!
Plus their super duper Iron Dome shielding just so happened to fail as well??
Wow!!!
I find it very strange that the police were trying to evacuate people from a rave party in the desert knowing about the attack but the military just didn’t know what was going on???? I guess the police forgot to call in???
I must be a coincidence theorist!!!
Has anybody seen the movie “Wag the Dog” by chance?
It happened in 1973 before the Yom Kippur War