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I keep reading about our Debt blasting past 40T, so I asked AI "has the USA ever not been in debt?? Here is the answer: "Yes—once. The US started life in debt (over $75 million from Revolutionary War financing by 1791) and has been in debt continuously ever since 1837, but there was a brief window under President Andrew Jackson when it hit zero. Jackson made eliminating the debt a personal crusade, calling it a "national curse." Through aggressive tariffs, vetoing spending bills, and selling off federal land, he drove the debt down from about $58 million in 1829 to nothing by January 1835. On January 8, 1835, Congress formally announced the national debt was paid in full — the only time in US history that's happened (TreasuryDirect, NPR).

That debt-free condition lasted only about a year or two. The Panic of 1837 hit soon after — tied partly to the same policies (bank liquidation, the Specie Circular) that had enabled the debt payoff — and the government had to start borrowing again almost immediately. The US has run a national debt continuously ever since, now around $38 trillion.

So the honest answer is: briefly, yes, but it's been a 190-year debt streak since then with no sign of repeating it."

Now I'm not 100% trusting of AI and I only asked Perplexity, but it certainly seems like debt is the American Way so the consequences of inflation, rates and productivity etc are all complicatedly connected. Complicated to me, but not to Peter.

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Every time you post an analysis like this, Peter, I am consciously grateful for your balanced and highly intelligent work. I’ve said it many times: you are a treasure!

There are scenarios leading up to the midterm elections where economic indicators may balance out, at least in the eyes of the voters. IF the war ends, IF the AI bubble doesn’t collapse in some catastrophic way, IF no new disaster happens.

Last week, I saw some article about China’s stock market losing more than a trillion dollars of value within a very short time, but I’ve heard nothing more about it. The Korean stock market apparently has also dropped considerably, as of today. But sometimes these articles amount to just clickbait. If you see any substantial indicators of Asian stock turmoil, I hope you will bring your level-headed genius to sorting out what’s happening. We all know - thanks, in part, to you - how precarious the financial world is. Thanks, Peter!

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