You're right, listening to conversations behind the curtain in an ER or near a nurses station...my mother was a nurse for 30y and indeed there are arrogant flipoant unkind people in every profession..we tend to put medical professionals up on a pedestal, but intelligence does not equal kindness. Some Dr's can be quite nasty https://foru…
You're right, listening to conversations behind the curtain in an ER or near a nurses station...my mother was a nurse for 30y and indeed there are arrogant flipoant unkind people in every profession..we tend to put medical professionals up on a pedestal, but intelligence does not equal kindness. Some Dr's can be quite nasty https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/2021-all-over-again.1472844/#post-23672051
Having worked in a few hazardous situations (voice and data network engineering inside a petrochemical plant can put you uncomfortably close to a number of substances with a disturbing capacity to detonate), as well as having worked in hospital emergency rooms, I can well attest to the gallows humor.
JW's glibness is not troubling in and of itself. It's the topic in which he is being glib that is cause for alarm. It's one thing to joke about feeding people into a woodchipper, but it's something else entirely to joke about one's experiences washing the blood and guts out of the gears.
Glibness is one thing. Glibness about bad behavior is sociopathy.
More than a few bioethicists have raised cogent arguments against GoF experiments. Making new pathogens to study old pathogens is just not a wise idea. Yet Pfizer confirmed what JW said: they are making new pathogens to study old pathogens.
Which makes the glibness a cause for more than a little concern.
Yes, if he didn't, one might expect Pfizer to note that in any statements. But again, if he did, it's not at all clear he had Director-level responsibilities for mRNA tech.
You're right, listening to conversations behind the curtain in an ER or near a nurses station...my mother was a nurse for 30y and indeed there are arrogant flipoant unkind people in every profession..we tend to put medical professionals up on a pedestal, but intelligence does not equal kindness. Some Dr's can be quite nasty https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/2021-all-over-again.1472844/#post-23672051
I wouldn't label it one hundred percent nasty,for many it's just a coping mechanism. "Gallows humor."
Having worked in a few hazardous situations (voice and data network engineering inside a petrochemical plant can put you uncomfortably close to a number of substances with a disturbing capacity to detonate), as well as having worked in hospital emergency rooms, I can well attest to the gallows humor.
JW's glibness is not troubling in and of itself. It's the topic in which he is being glib that is cause for alarm. It's one thing to joke about feeding people into a woodchipper, but it's something else entirely to joke about one's experiences washing the blood and guts out of the gears.
Glibness is one thing. Glibness about bad behavior is sociopathy.
More than a few bioethicists have raised cogent arguments against GoF experiments. Making new pathogens to study old pathogens is just not a wise idea. Yet Pfizer confirmed what JW said: they are making new pathogens to study old pathogens.
Which makes the glibness a cause for more than a little concern.
This guy is not a high level decision maker, and if he had ethical standards, he'd be collecting a check elsewhere.
I'm baffled that we would expect someone in his position not to be glib. "Should" vs reality.
He's a part of Pfizer and therefore a reflection of their culture.
Maybe others expect them not to be glib, but my concern is the seeming unethical behavior about which they are being glib.
"He's [Dr. Jordon Walker] a part of Pfizer"
Has this been established? To this day, I'm still unsure if a) he worked for Pfizer and b) if so, in what specific role(s) and job title(s):
https://twitter.com/aronro/status/1618823095397285889
Yes, if he didn't, one might expect Pfizer to note that in any statements. But again, if he did, it's not at all clear he had Director-level responsibilities for mRNA tech.
Yes, it has been established that he was a mid level manager at Pfizer.
Thanks, Peter! Any good cite you came across for that, that you can share?