If you want to see what it looks like when corporations are allowed to vote, look at what goes on in homeowner associations where a large percentage of the housing units are owned by non-resident investment owners.
I don't think this happens with single-family home H.O.A.s -- yet -- but it does happen quite a bit in condominium associations where investment groups hold a super-majority of the votes and act against the interests of the actual resident owners.
For example, it's not uncommon for an investment firm that owns enough units to vote to dissolve the condo association, divesting the resident owners of their homes (but not their obligations to pay their mortgages).
To his credit, Florida Governor Jeb Bush vetoed a bill in 2006 that would have made it easier for this to happen. But Republicans will republican. When Charlie Crist became governor the bill was passed again and signed into law in 2007. The consequences were predictable.
> "Condo owners say a 7-year-old change in state law now is forcing them from their homes as investors convert their buildings into rentals. Some condo owners say they’re being pressured to sell as investment groups slowly take over whole complexes, often by snapping up foreclosed units. Their goal is to sell the properties at a profit." (Naples Daily News, September 08 2014).
> "About 20 owners in Boynton Beach’s Via Lugano condominium filed a lawsuit in June to block a Newton, Mass.-based company from using a state law to force them to sell their homes. According to Florida condo law, a condominium can be dissolved if 80 percent of owners agree to its termination. At Via Lugano, the company Northland Lugano owns an estimated 93 percent of the units." (Palm Beach Post, August 28 2014).
It is also extremely hard to organize owners to take collective action when unit owners are corporations, and you can't even figure out who the actual people responsible are. I know, because I've done it out of necessity. But that's another story.
> Corporations have too much power in the US as it is.
In 2015, I prosecuted a Contempt of Court charge against the Madison Hill H.O.A. corporation.
Judge Tammy Greene told me that she was "not inclined" (her words) to hold Officers of the corporation accountable for the crime of the corporation.
At the sentencing hearing a month later, she said that she did not even have the legal authority to do so.
Contempt of Court is a crime that poor people go to jail for every day in this country. But if you are a corporate Officer, you are shielded by the corporate veil.
It makes a mockery of both the Rule of Law ™ and Equality Before the Law ™.
Conversely, if a homeowner fails to comply with a Court Order, he goes to jail.
> Brown Lawn Means Jail Time
> St. Petersburg Times (Florida, not Russia), October 11 2008
> On Friday morning, Joseph Prudente took off his wedding band and put his heart medication in a plastic bag.
> Then his daughter drove him to jail.
> His crime? He had disobeyed a court order that he sod the lawn at his Beacon Woods home.
> His bail? Zero.
> Prudente, 66, must stay in the Pasco County jail in Land O'Lakes until the required sod work is completed, under a September court order signed by Circuit Judge W. Lowell Bray.
> "He's in prison for God knows how long because we can't afford to sod the lawn," said his sobbing daughter, Jennifer Lehr.
> Prudente has owned a home in the deed restricted community since 1998. The covenants require homeowners to keep their lawns covered with grass.
> Earlier this year, the Beacon Woods Civic Association took Prudente to court after he failed to install new sod on his browning lawn, which had withered after his sprinklers broke. The association had already sent letters telling him to resod his front and back yards by certain dates.
As some reader pointed out in the comments section there, in stories like this H.O.A. corporations spend more on attorneys and litigation than it would have cost to actually fix the yard.
"I know of associations that have been placed under Court Orders to do things and they just don’t do them. It’s not just that they defy statutory law. But they’re ordered to do something and still not do it. It’s mind boggling."
- Evan McKenzie, former H.O.A. attorney and author of 'Privatopia' (1994) and 'Beyond Privatopia' (2011). “On the Commons”. November 19, 2005.
> Contempt of court is an intentional act--it doesn't just happen. One has to choose to violate or disregard a court order.
Ah, here's where the corporate veil gets even deeper.
The Madison Hill H.O.A. corporation had hired a "professional" management company, L.C.M. Property Management Inc. But since the L.C.M. corporation was not a named party in the original lawsuit, L.C.M. was not the party under Court Order. The H.O.A. president blamed the violation on L.C.M., since L.C.M was in charge of the accounting. Judge Greene accepted this excuse.
Not only was it a case of corporate Officers hiding behind the corporate veil, but corporations hiding behind other corporations. Multiple layers of corporate veils.
But none of that really matters, because Judge Green was _never_ going to hold anyone accountable. Even though this was _not_ the first time the Madison Hill H.O.A. corporation had violated one of her Court Orders by making illegal demands for payments of attorney fees that were explicitly prohibited by her Court Order. They had done so previously from 2009 - 2011 after a prior litigation. (see "Hunt the Lawyer", June 10 2023).
Judge Greene has a pro-H.O.A. bias, according to retired 9News investigative reporter Ward Lucas.
> from: Edward Lucas
> date: Thursday, October 01, 2015
> subject: RE: H.O.A. - Contempt of Court Hearing
> Be real careful of Tammy Greene. She can be a monster. Ward
> from: Edward Lucas
> date: Tuesday, January 12, 2016
> subject: Re: H.O.A. Jefferson County Colorado Court 2014 C 38745
> Hi Robert,
> Tammy Greene was the judge who screwed me in my lawsuit.
Republicans love to quote John Adams about how “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other”.
And then spend decades pimpin' and simpin' and cuckin' for constitutional rights for corporations, which are neither moral nor religious nor people.
Republicans like to genuflect to Adam Smith as well, yet their idea of "free trade" always ends up being "this big corporation gets this leg up from us--Big Government--and screw the little guy."
The only difference between the Democrats and Republicans is the nature of their sacred cows. Both parties happily sacrifice the well being of the ordinary voter in order ensure that the greatest amount of power and wealth is transferred from the people to the business interests.
There's a meme I've seen lately that goes something like:
Republicans think all of the wealth should be owned and controlled by 10 men.
Democrats think it should be 15. And half of them should be women. And there should be at least one African-American and one transgender person among them.
This is more disclosure......time to dig deeper, Peter.
How crazy to propose allowing corporations to vote, like humans, right? Except.....that's what already is happening.
Human voters are, by default political status of 14th amendment "citizen" under STATUTE (thanks to birth certificate recording) actually corporate entities themselves, and they don't even know it. As they continue to "volunteer" and ask for permission from the corporate overlords to participate in the voting process.....they assert their agreement with this, and remain subject to all the terms and conditions imposed by the corporate government service agencies we know of as "the" state...."the" fed, basically..."the government". Except that "the government" is actually a vast web of corporate subsidiaries that are by contract (the Constitutions) supposed to be providing just 19 specific, enumerated services to the People, who are the ACTUAL government de facto. Look them up; you will find that they are all incorporated and have separate Dun & Bradstreet numbers. Every bureau, every agency, every muicipality, every department at every level of local, state and federal "governments" are separate, incorporated entities, governed by commercial codes and statutes. Contracts.
- As shitty and inverted as the public school system has been for decades, a lot of us do remember learning way back when that a government can not be incorporated, nor can it be run like a business.......and yet what we see everywhere is EXACTLY THAT. What a glaringly obvious contradiction that nobody ever questions or clarifies....how did that happen? It's right out there in plain sight, happening before our eyes. Teachers don't elaborate on this contradiction because they have no idea what it means....they just gloss over it and move on to teach the corporate government structure, which includes the three branches - executive, judicial and legislative. They have no idea that the true three branches of American government are the Union, the Federation and the Confederation. They have no idea that the true American government IS and MUST BE UN-incorporated.
Every piece of the political system on display is corporate, and falls under contract law -- its framework is "legal" (not Lawful- huge difference). By contract law, corporations may only deal with other corporations; the Law of Kinds. Living men and women cannot be party to contracts with corporations.....living people must first give up their organic identities and agree to corporate identities; and THAT identity is what participates in all the "legal" processes of the de facto government service agencies.
And so....this latest proposed bit of insanity is not insane at all; it is just bringing out into the open exactly what has already been going on for a very long time. The true American government is not and never was a "democracy". It is a Republican form of government; by the People (unincorporated). The only "democracy" that exists on American soil exists inside the halls of the congresses.....and whenever human beings parrot that bullshite line about "our democracy", they don't even realize they are affirming their own corporate status as citizen-slaves to the corporate governments, subject to all of the gazillion rules, regulations, statutes, codes, decrees, orders, et al. Not free, certainly. Taxpayers, responsible to finance the activities of the corporate "government". Slaves living in fear of polic(y) enforcement; fear of the IRS, fear of the police (who exist to protect the corporate governments themselves, NOT "the people"), fear of social services, fear of public health, fear of the truant officer, fear of the courts....fear fear fear, the complete and total antithesis of freedom.
Do some deep research into what's really going on, that's been hidden in plain sight for over 160 years. A great place to start is Mel Stamper's book Fruit From a Poisonous Tree....or Douglas Gabriel, Anna VonReitz, David Straight, KL (to name just a few) who all have countless videos.
Unless you've corrected your default political status and proclaimed your original birthright political status as living men and women; Article 4, Section 2A Citizens under Public Law.....your identities are already "legal persons", all those of you who are "registered voters" participating in these elections. In essence, you are all corporations. Why not acknowledge this, and bring the bigger corporate players out of the shadows?
However, there are a few factual items which warrant clarification:
Article I of the Constitution describes the Legislative Power of the United States government. Article II describes the Executive Power. Article III describes the Judicial Power. The term "Federation" does not appear in the Constitution. "Confederation" only appears twice, and one is the prohibition of States forming a confederation outside of the Constitution.
Ever since ratification, the Constitution is the supreme law of the United States by definition and declaration.
Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment declares all persons born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction unqualified citizenship. It also guarantees to all persons, citizens or not, the equal protection of the laws.
That is the plaintext reading of the Amendment.
The Law of Kinds as expressed in Genesis 1:25 is an intriguing philosophical proposition, but it has not been cited in case law. It is not an operative legal doctrine.
With respect to the proposal that living persons cannot contract with corporations, putting that into practice would mean you cannot rent an apartment, nor take out a mortgage or even pay cash for a house, nor purchase groceries at a typical grocery store. It might a philosophical ideal to some but it is untenable as a legal or even political doctrine within Western society.
All of which illuminates why the crux of the evolution of legal personhood for corporations arises from the acknowledgement that corporations are different and distinct from natural persons, which declaration is found repeatedly throughout US case law, up to Citizens United and beyond.
You're absolutely right; of course the organic government structure does not appear in the Constitutions because they are outside of the contracts that the Constitutions cover and is not within the scope of corporate jurisdiction. As far as the Law of Kinds being operative....it's one of the many "legal presumptions" that are imbedded within the legal framework before you even get through the gate, which must be rebutted.
- Look around, and you will see presumptions in operation; nearly every part of society has been build upon presumptions. This is the drilled-down root....the most foundational piece upon which everything rests, and must be gotten to in order to comprehend what has been going on in this country and other first world countries all across the globe.
Tell me.....can you look around you and say that we are "free"? Cradle to grave control and debt slavery is freedom? Asking for permission from "the authorities" to live, to work, to own, to learn, to travel, to grow food, to collect rainwater...et al......does a free being ask for permission to do all these things? Have you noticed that during the plandemic, the "governments" completely ignored their own laws, and when challenged.....their agents responded that they didn't have to follow them? (Yes, this actually did happen to me; as a former middle-manager for a state agency, I have emails from the Director of the Executive Office of Human Services telling me that the Civil Rights Act does not apply to them....in those exact words). How does a state agency get away with this bold statement? And even with the written evidence, when brought before the EEOC, this agency came back stating that they couldn't do anything. How? - I personally experienced so much blatantly illegal behavior by government service agencies that it was VERY clear to me that there was some underlying reason that was not common knowledge.
- I think that these are all very good questions that require careful consideration from all angles, putting aside cherished first principles. If you don't question everything, especially your own beliefs, you're keeping yourself stuck inside a box. Have you ever heard "as above, so below.......as within, as without?" before? Everything plays out in the material world due to what is going on in the esoteric; the manifest evidence points to the cause, which is not obvious, but must be dug into.
- Thanks, brother....it is great to be able to have rational discussions coming from completely different perspectives (which may never be agreed, but which are fun to hear!). Peace!
Reading this, at first I thought, ‘well this idea is nuts’. And what a bad legal precedent it would create - ten years from now, would they decide that an AI Chatbox is an ‘entity’ that should be allowed to vote?
But then you - with your ever-perceptive mind - pointed it out -delegated voting. That’s where they’re going with this. Bad, bad idea.
Ultimately, the Supreme Court may need to clarify not only what is a ‘person’, but what is ‘life’, which means they’ll have to wrestle with ‘a soul’. Good luck defining the legalities of that!
If you want to see what it looks like when corporations are allowed to vote, look at what goes on in homeowner associations where a large percentage of the housing units are owned by non-resident investment owners.
I don't think this happens with single-family home H.O.A.s -- yet -- but it does happen quite a bit in condominium associations where investment groups hold a super-majority of the votes and act against the interests of the actual resident owners.
For example, it's not uncommon for an investment firm that owns enough units to vote to dissolve the condo association, divesting the resident owners of their homes (but not their obligations to pay their mortgages).
To his credit, Florida Governor Jeb Bush vetoed a bill in 2006 that would have made it easier for this to happen. But Republicans will republican. When Charlie Crist became governor the bill was passed again and signed into law in 2007. The consequences were predictable.
> "Condo owners say a 7-year-old change in state law now is forcing them from their homes as investors convert their buildings into rentals. Some condo owners say they’re being pressured to sell as investment groups slowly take over whole complexes, often by snapping up foreclosed units. Their goal is to sell the properties at a profit." (Naples Daily News, September 08 2014).
> "About 20 owners in Boynton Beach’s Via Lugano condominium filed a lawsuit in June to block a Newton, Mass.-based company from using a state law to force them to sell their homes. According to Florida condo law, a condominium can be dissolved if 80 percent of owners agree to its termination. At Via Lugano, the company Northland Lugano owns an estimated 93 percent of the units." (Palm Beach Post, August 28 2014).
It is also extremely hard to organize owners to take collective action when unit owners are corporations, and you can't even figure out who the actual people responsible are. I know, because I've done it out of necessity. But that's another story.
Restacking because this is something people should see and be thinking about.
Corporations have too much power in the US as it is. It is past time for people to take back some of that power.
> Corporations have too much power in the US as it is.
In 2015, I prosecuted a Contempt of Court charge against the Madison Hill H.O.A. corporation.
Judge Tammy Greene told me that she was "not inclined" (her words) to hold Officers of the corporation accountable for the crime of the corporation.
At the sentencing hearing a month later, she said that she did not even have the legal authority to do so.
Contempt of Court is a crime that poor people go to jail for every day in this country. But if you are a corporate Officer, you are shielded by the corporate veil.
It makes a mockery of both the Rule of Law ™ and Equality Before the Law ™.
"Judge Tammy Greene told me that she was "not inclined" (her words) to hold Officers of the corporation accountable for the crime of the corporation."
Contempt of court is an intentional act--it doesn't just happen. One has to choose to violate or disregard a court order.
But the judge couldn't see that the officers of the corporation were the ones doing the choosing to violate the court order?
No way in Hell was that a legitimate ruling from the bench.
Conversely, if a homeowner fails to comply with a Court Order, he goes to jail.
> Brown Lawn Means Jail Time
> St. Petersburg Times (Florida, not Russia), October 11 2008
> On Friday morning, Joseph Prudente took off his wedding band and put his heart medication in a plastic bag.
> Then his daughter drove him to jail.
> His crime? He had disobeyed a court order that he sod the lawn at his Beacon Woods home.
> His bail? Zero.
> Prudente, 66, must stay in the Pasco County jail in Land O'Lakes until the required sod work is completed, under a September court order signed by Circuit Judge W. Lowell Bray.
> "He's in prison for God knows how long because we can't afford to sod the lawn," said his sobbing daughter, Jennifer Lehr.
> Prudente has owned a home in the deed restricted community since 1998. The covenants require homeowners to keep their lawns covered with grass.
> Earlier this year, the Beacon Woods Civic Association took Prudente to court after he failed to install new sod on his browning lawn, which had withered after his sprinklers broke. The association had already sent letters telling him to resod his front and back yards by certain dates.
- https://web.archive.org/web/20081012014514/https://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article847365.ece
As some reader pointed out in the comments section there, in stories like this H.O.A. corporations spend more on attorneys and litigation than it would have cost to actually fix the yard.
"I know of associations that have been placed under Court Orders to do things and they just don’t do them. It’s not just that they defy statutory law. But they’re ordered to do something and still not do it. It’s mind boggling."
- Evan McKenzie, former H.O.A. attorney and author of 'Privatopia' (1994) and 'Beyond Privatopia' (2011). “On the Commons”. November 19, 2005.
> No way in Hell was that a legitimate ruling from the bench.
I agree it was in no way "legitimate" in the normal sense of the word. But it was legal.
What could I do about it?
> Contempt of court is an intentional act--it doesn't just happen. One has to choose to violate or disregard a court order.
Ah, here's where the corporate veil gets even deeper.
The Madison Hill H.O.A. corporation had hired a "professional" management company, L.C.M. Property Management Inc. But since the L.C.M. corporation was not a named party in the original lawsuit, L.C.M. was not the party under Court Order. The H.O.A. president blamed the violation on L.C.M., since L.C.M was in charge of the accounting. Judge Greene accepted this excuse.
Not only was it a case of corporate Officers hiding behind the corporate veil, but corporations hiding behind other corporations. Multiple layers of corporate veils.
But none of that really matters, because Judge Green was _never_ going to hold anyone accountable. Even though this was _not_ the first time the Madison Hill H.O.A. corporation had violated one of her Court Orders by making illegal demands for payments of attorney fees that were explicitly prohibited by her Court Order. They had done so previously from 2009 - 2011 after a prior litigation. (see "Hunt the Lawyer", June 10 2023).
Judge Greene has a pro-H.O.A. bias, according to retired 9News investigative reporter Ward Lucas.
> from: Edward Lucas
> date: Thursday, October 01, 2015
> subject: RE: H.O.A. - Contempt of Court Hearing
> Be real careful of Tammy Greene. She can be a monster. Ward
> from: Edward Lucas
> date: Tuesday, January 12, 2016
> subject: Re: H.O.A. Jefferson County Colorado Court 2014 C 38745
> Hi Robert,
> Tammy Greene was the judge who screwed me in my lawsuit.
> She hates HOA opponents. Ward
Republicans love to quote John Adams about how “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other”.
And then spend decades pimpin' and simpin' and cuckin' for constitutional rights for corporations, which are neither moral nor religious nor people.
Republicans like to genuflect to Adam Smith as well, yet their idea of "free trade" always ends up being "this big corporation gets this leg up from us--Big Government--and screw the little guy."
The only difference between the Democrats and Republicans is the nature of their sacred cows. Both parties happily sacrifice the well being of the ordinary voter in order ensure that the greatest amount of power and wealth is transferred from the people to the business interests.
There's a meme I've seen lately that goes something like:
Republicans think all of the wealth should be owned and controlled by 10 men.
Democrats think it should be 15. And half of them should be women. And there should be at least one African-American and one transgender person among them.
This is more disclosure......time to dig deeper, Peter.
How crazy to propose allowing corporations to vote, like humans, right? Except.....that's what already is happening.
Human voters are, by default political status of 14th amendment "citizen" under STATUTE (thanks to birth certificate recording) actually corporate entities themselves, and they don't even know it. As they continue to "volunteer" and ask for permission from the corporate overlords to participate in the voting process.....they assert their agreement with this, and remain subject to all the terms and conditions imposed by the corporate government service agencies we know of as "the" state...."the" fed, basically..."the government". Except that "the government" is actually a vast web of corporate subsidiaries that are by contract (the Constitutions) supposed to be providing just 19 specific, enumerated services to the People, who are the ACTUAL government de facto. Look them up; you will find that they are all incorporated and have separate Dun & Bradstreet numbers. Every bureau, every agency, every muicipality, every department at every level of local, state and federal "governments" are separate, incorporated entities, governed by commercial codes and statutes. Contracts.
- As shitty and inverted as the public school system has been for decades, a lot of us do remember learning way back when that a government can not be incorporated, nor can it be run like a business.......and yet what we see everywhere is EXACTLY THAT. What a glaringly obvious contradiction that nobody ever questions or clarifies....how did that happen? It's right out there in plain sight, happening before our eyes. Teachers don't elaborate on this contradiction because they have no idea what it means....they just gloss over it and move on to teach the corporate government structure, which includes the three branches - executive, judicial and legislative. They have no idea that the true three branches of American government are the Union, the Federation and the Confederation. They have no idea that the true American government IS and MUST BE UN-incorporated.
Every piece of the political system on display is corporate, and falls under contract law -- its framework is "legal" (not Lawful- huge difference). By contract law, corporations may only deal with other corporations; the Law of Kinds. Living men and women cannot be party to contracts with corporations.....living people must first give up their organic identities and agree to corporate identities; and THAT identity is what participates in all the "legal" processes of the de facto government service agencies.
And so....this latest proposed bit of insanity is not insane at all; it is just bringing out into the open exactly what has already been going on for a very long time. The true American government is not and never was a "democracy". It is a Republican form of government; by the People (unincorporated). The only "democracy" that exists on American soil exists inside the halls of the congresses.....and whenever human beings parrot that bullshite line about "our democracy", they don't even realize they are affirming their own corporate status as citizen-slaves to the corporate governments, subject to all of the gazillion rules, regulations, statutes, codes, decrees, orders, et al. Not free, certainly. Taxpayers, responsible to finance the activities of the corporate "government". Slaves living in fear of polic(y) enforcement; fear of the IRS, fear of the police (who exist to protect the corporate governments themselves, NOT "the people"), fear of social services, fear of public health, fear of the truant officer, fear of the courts....fear fear fear, the complete and total antithesis of freedom.
Do some deep research into what's really going on, that's been hidden in plain sight for over 160 years. A great place to start is Mel Stamper's book Fruit From a Poisonous Tree....or Douglas Gabriel, Anna VonReitz, David Straight, KL (to name just a few) who all have countless videos.
Unless you've corrected your default political status and proclaimed your original birthright political status as living men and women; Article 4, Section 2A Citizens under Public Law.....your identities are already "legal persons", all those of you who are "registered voters" participating in these elections. In essence, you are all corporations. Why not acknowledge this, and bring the bigger corporate players out of the shadows?
Everyone is entitled to believe as they will.
However, there are a few factual items which warrant clarification:
Article I of the Constitution describes the Legislative Power of the United States government. Article II describes the Executive Power. Article III describes the Judicial Power. The term "Federation" does not appear in the Constitution. "Confederation" only appears twice, and one is the prohibition of States forming a confederation outside of the Constitution.
https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution
Ever since ratification, the Constitution is the supreme law of the United States by definition and declaration.
Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment declares all persons born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction unqualified citizenship. It also guarantees to all persons, citizens or not, the equal protection of the laws.
That is the plaintext reading of the Amendment.
The Law of Kinds as expressed in Genesis 1:25 is an intriguing philosophical proposition, but it has not been cited in case law. It is not an operative legal doctrine.
With respect to the proposal that living persons cannot contract with corporations, putting that into practice would mean you cannot rent an apartment, nor take out a mortgage or even pay cash for a house, nor purchase groceries at a typical grocery store. It might a philosophical ideal to some but it is untenable as a legal or even political doctrine within Western society.
All of which illuminates why the crux of the evolution of legal personhood for corporations arises from the acknowledgement that corporations are different and distinct from natural persons, which declaration is found repeatedly throughout US case law, up to Citizens United and beyond.
You're absolutely right; of course the organic government structure does not appear in the Constitutions because they are outside of the contracts that the Constitutions cover and is not within the scope of corporate jurisdiction. As far as the Law of Kinds being operative....it's one of the many "legal presumptions" that are imbedded within the legal framework before you even get through the gate, which must be rebutted.
- Look around, and you will see presumptions in operation; nearly every part of society has been build upon presumptions. This is the drilled-down root....the most foundational piece upon which everything rests, and must be gotten to in order to comprehend what has been going on in this country and other first world countries all across the globe.
Tell me.....can you look around you and say that we are "free"? Cradle to grave control and debt slavery is freedom? Asking for permission from "the authorities" to live, to work, to own, to learn, to travel, to grow food, to collect rainwater...et al......does a free being ask for permission to do all these things? Have you noticed that during the plandemic, the "governments" completely ignored their own laws, and when challenged.....their agents responded that they didn't have to follow them? (Yes, this actually did happen to me; as a former middle-manager for a state agency, I have emails from the Director of the Executive Office of Human Services telling me that the Civil Rights Act does not apply to them....in those exact words). How does a state agency get away with this bold statement? And even with the written evidence, when brought before the EEOC, this agency came back stating that they couldn't do anything. How? - I personally experienced so much blatantly illegal behavior by government service agencies that it was VERY clear to me that there was some underlying reason that was not common knowledge.
- I think that these are all very good questions that require careful consideration from all angles, putting aside cherished first principles. If you don't question everything, especially your own beliefs, you're keeping yourself stuck inside a box. Have you ever heard "as above, so below.......as within, as without?" before? Everything plays out in the material world due to what is going on in the esoteric; the manifest evidence points to the cause, which is not obvious, but must be dug into.
- Thanks, brother....it is great to be able to have rational discussions coming from completely different perspectives (which may never be agreed, but which are fun to hear!). Peace!
Reading this, at first I thought, ‘well this idea is nuts’. And what a bad legal precedent it would create - ten years from now, would they decide that an AI Chatbox is an ‘entity’ that should be allowed to vote?
But then you - with your ever-perceptive mind - pointed it out -delegated voting. That’s where they’re going with this. Bad, bad idea.
Ultimately, the Supreme Court may need to clarify not only what is a ‘person’, but what is ‘life’, which means they’ll have to wrestle with ‘a soul’. Good luck defining the legalities of that!
,